tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24215087.post954635195108750599..comments2023-05-14T07:51:18.017-05:00Comments on The Suburban Christian: Martin Marty on diversity in the ancient churchAl Hsuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04407264726681695790noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24215087.post-42439781645666684142007-01-11T00:19:00.000-06:002007-01-11T00:19:00.000-06:00Speaking of Brian McLaren & Lauren Winner they are...Speaking of Brian McLaren & Lauren Winner they are part of a Bible project called The Voice. I saw at www.hearthevoice.com you can download the first chapters of each. There are also good videos and video blogs from Chris Seay there.hearthevoice.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07785703271937801162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24215087.post-81227704972007999692006-12-22T17:03:00.000-06:002006-12-22T17:03:00.000-06:00Great thoughtful post. I recently heard a popular ...Great thoughtful post. I recently heard a popular speaker/author and while I disagreed with much of his theology, the way he said made me want to agree with everything.Margaret Feinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00618923034620497185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24215087.post-18417591411467299342006-12-22T14:23:00.000-06:002006-12-22T14:23:00.000-06:00Al, you evangelical mutt, this post left me swimmi...Al, you evangelical mutt, this post left me swimming a bit. Great stuff.<br /><br />Steven Purcell, the new Laity Lodge director, will be up at Urbana too. Maybe you'll bump into each other (yeah, right). Have fun.<br /><br />And Merry Christmas.Mark Goodyearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515891157372544251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24215087.post-11191427934628949872006-12-21T14:04:00.000-06:002006-12-21T14:04:00.000-06:00Sorry, L.L., I'll probably be too busy to do any b...Sorry, L.L., I'll probably be too busy to do any blogging onsite at Urbana! I believe you can watch some of the sessions online at urbana.org, if you're interested.<br /><br />And I agree, anonymous, good rhetoric does not trump actual argumentation or sound theology. My point here is merely that good communication and rhetorical skills must go alongside the task of doing theology. I think a fair number of theology texts are perhaps technically accurate and logically consistent in their argumentation but not very winsome, engaging or ultimately persuasive to anyone other than those already convinced of their position. What we profess can certainly be either aided or obscured by a poor presentation.<br /><br />And just for the record, I was already quite appreciative of the Christus Victor model long before reading this particular four-views book. I also recently came across this nice quote from N. T. Wright in his recent <i>Evil and the Justice of God</i>:<br /><br />"I find myself compelled toward one of the well-known theories of atonement, of how God deals with evil through the death of Jesus, not as a replacement for the events or the stories nor as a single theory to trump all others, but as a theme which carries me further than the others toward the heart of it all. I refer to the Christus Victor theme, the belief that on the cross Jesus has won the victory over the powers of evil. Once that is in place, the other theories come in to play their respective parts." (pp. 94-95)Al Hsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04407264726681695790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24215087.post-88404158666431769762006-12-21T12:39:00.000-06:002006-12-21T12:39:00.000-06:00Good rhetoric does not necessarily make for good t...Good rhetoric does not necessarily make for good truth. Someone, a respected biblical scholar, told me that the Christus Victor view was poorly represented (in IVP's four-views book on the atonement) by the author that you praise. Hmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24215087.post-88501036192417556742006-12-21T09:26:00.000-06:002006-12-21T09:26:00.000-06:00Enjoy Urbana! (Don't you want to live-blog it for ...Enjoy Urbana! (Don't you want to live-blog it for us? :)L.L. Barkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13333960142447144678noreply@blogger.com